Davis and Harrington to The D?
Add this to the swirling trade rumors surrounding The Pistons this off season. According to "sources" The Pistons would be willing to send Chauncey Billups and Rasheed Wallace to Golden State for Baron Davis and Al Harrington.
Via The Contra Costa Times
"A team source said that Davis has told teammates he will not exercise the opt-out provision in his contract before its June 30 expiration date, meaning that he will play out the final year of the deal at a salary of $17.8 million.
Given that stalemate, it's possible that Davis, who wants to stay in the Bay Area but was disappointed with the lowball offers from the Warriors, will ask to be dealt. And the team source said that the Detroit Pistons, rebuffed initially in their attempts to pry
forward Carmelo Anthony from the Denver Nuggets, are now looking at Davis as a potential target.
Joe Dumars, the Pistons' president of basketball operations, gave notice after losing the Eastern Conference finals that no one on his veteran-laden team would be safe, and the source said Detroit is willing to divest itself of longtime stars Rasheed Wallace and Chauncey Billups.
Wallace, like Davis an unrestricted free agent after '08-09, would give the Warriors their best true power forward since Chris Webber's first stint in 1993-94 and has 3-point range that coach Don Nelson would love.
And the inclusion of Billups, who has been made more expendable by the emergence of rookie Rodney Stuckey last season, would ease any concerns from Nelson about the point guard position. Although Nelson thinks Monta Ellis eventually needs to move to point guard, he played him primarily at shooting guard on offense last season, allowing Davis to quarterback the team.
Since Wallace and Billups will combine to take home nearly $25 million in 2008-09, the Warriors would need to add more salary ballast to Davis in order to make the salary-cap numbers work.
One possibility in that role would be forward Al Harrington. A source close to the 10th-year forward said he is currently leaning toward requesting a trade from the Warriors this summer, although he will not make a final decision until after the draft."
I am not sure what rumored deal (Josh Smith, Carmelo) I like the best, but you can be sure that things will start to take shape after the NBA Daft takes place tomorrow night.
UPDATE : Chris McCosky of The Detroit News says there is no truth to this rumor.
"Pay no attention to the report out of Oakland that the Pistons and Warriors talked about a deal that would send Rasheed Wallace and Chauncey Billups to Golden State for Baron Davis. That deal was a total fabrication, nothing of the sort was ever discussed."
"A team source said that Davis has told teammates he will not exercise the opt-out provision in his contract before its June 30 expiration date, meaning that he will play out the final year of the deal at a salary of $17.8 million.
Given that stalemate, it's possible that Davis, who wants to stay in the Bay Area but was disappointed with the lowball offers from the Warriors, will ask to be dealt. And the team source said that the Detroit Pistons, rebuffed initially in their attempts to pry
forward Carmelo Anthony from the Denver Nuggets, are now looking at Davis as a potential target.
Joe Dumars, the Pistons' president of basketball operations, gave notice after losing the Eastern Conference finals that no one on his veteran-laden team would be safe, and the source said Detroit is willing to divest itself of longtime stars Rasheed Wallace and Chauncey Billups.
Wallace, like Davis an unrestricted free agent after '08-09, would give the Warriors their best true power forward since Chris Webber's first stint in 1993-94 and has 3-point range that coach Don Nelson would love.
And the inclusion of Billups, who has been made more expendable by the emergence of rookie Rodney Stuckey last season, would ease any concerns from Nelson about the point guard position. Although Nelson thinks Monta Ellis eventually needs to move to point guard, he played him primarily at shooting guard on offense last season, allowing Davis to quarterback the team.
Since Wallace and Billups will combine to take home nearly $25 million in 2008-09, the Warriors would need to add more salary ballast to Davis in order to make the salary-cap numbers work.
One possibility in that role would be forward Al Harrington. A source close to the 10th-year forward said he is currently leaning toward requesting a trade from the Warriors this summer, although he will not make a final decision until after the draft."
I am not sure what rumored deal (Josh Smith, Carmelo) I like the best, but you can be sure that things will start to take shape after the NBA Daft takes place tomorrow night.
UPDATE : Chris McCosky of The Detroit News says there is no truth to this rumor.
"Pay no attention to the report out of Oakland that the Pistons and Warriors talked about a deal that would send Rasheed Wallace and Chauncey Billups to Golden State for Baron Davis. That deal was a total fabrication, nothing of the sort was ever discussed."
Labels: Trades
posted by Natalie Sitto at 8:58 AM link to this post
52 Comments:
Seems like both teams get equal value.
I'd hate to see Chauncey go but it would be more than worth it if we were able to extricate ourselves from Rasheed Wallace.
I don't know what I think about this deal though it sounds a little better than the other ones that have been tossed around. I will say that I don't think it's really equal value. Harrington is no Sheed, not even in the same class.
Wow.. Davis,Rip,Tayshaun,Harrington and dyess? thats kinda brutal lol with stuck max and amir on the bench? i kinda like it..
davis is a big upgrade to chauncey hes a better rebounder better scorer and rebounds too.
Harrington is about the same in scoring as sheed, but doesnt have the un guardable release, harrington is more deadly from 3's i know i feard him when we played for the pacers but not too sure about his inside presence if somone can let me know.. i think its an even trade but if davis wasnt in the deal id say keep sheed.
i say its a solid trade that also makes your team younger and thats what everyone wants.
i mean davis is a better rebounder and better scorer and gets assists
My only serious concern is Davis' health but he has been better the last couple of years for the most part.
Games missed:
02-03 ... 32
03-04 ... 15
04-05 ... 36
05-06 ... 28
06-07 ... 19
07-08 ... 0
a few things on this (i totally called it) trade.
Davis' health : We have Arnie, and in Arnie we trust.
Not only is BD a better all around point guard than CB, but one thing that is constantly failed to be mentioned is his fire & desire. He wants it!!! His heart is stronger than CB's lackluster motivation.
I like Al, but he's no sheed... when sheed wants to be sheed. We will get consistant numbers from AH, like 17 and 6's every night, instead of a few 7 and 4's from sheed for weeks at a time.
This is a trade that longs for constistancy, production and stability. You got my vote Joe!
...and Baron would make a good cartoon face
nat, no way in hell i would trade sheed and chaunce for those 2. are you guys delusional, heres something that a 2nd grade could probably understand better than you guys.....2 two time all star traded to davis and harrington....to a 2nd grade kid, it would mean trading 2 candy bars for 2 two pint of ice cream.......if youre saying you like 2 candy bars better, then you are delusional.
we get younger... but i dont like how our pf/c positions are gonna look.. we need a real center, dyess should not be a starter i dont care what anyone says... al isnt big enough to play center nor is maxi.. i guess the idle line up with this trade is
b davis
rip city
tay tay
maxi
harrington
maybe its just me being a detroit sports fan but ive learned not to trust harringtons.. we should just give them chauncey and someone else for davis because i'm not down with giving sheed for harrington
I think Mobius pretty much summed it up. Davis is an upgrade over Billups, but Harrington is basically a downgrade from Sheed.
And what do we do about the center position? Do we plug Harrington in there like the Warriors did?? I sure hope not.
I call for Cheik Samb!!!!
in general, pistons needs another pf or a true center.....trading one of our bigs for a pg and an sf makes the pistons problem bigger. davis is good, but i don't think hes a big upgrade over billups....hes not as savvy as handling the ball as billups.
I think this would be a good deal...provided we can find a true center elsewhere. Did anyone else see that DeSagana Diop is a free agent? He's not expensive and has a good upside. If you don't want to make that kind of risk Josh Smith is also a free agent. Of course maybe the clippers would show interest in Sheed and we could work something out with Chris Kaman....ok I know I'm dreaming here...
sheed and tay for elton brand and kaman.
billups, acker and our pick for baron davis.
problem solved
baron
rip
sf of choice
brand
kaman
josh smith would be a great pick up!
I just remembered something. If Robin Lopez can slip to our pick he would be a great player and would fit right into what is sure to be a defensive oriented scheme with Coach Curry...(nice ring to it)Solves our center problem right there.
kaman is a good pick up but not brand....i wouldn't trade 2 of our core for baron davis...ESPECIALLY 2of our all star player for davis. get kaman for billups...as for sheed, i would never trade him for anyone else whos available unless its stoudemire.
stuck
rip
prince
sheed
kaman
or
stuck
rip
prince
stoudemire
kaman
thank god to chris' report...all this is b.s. you guys should know better that joe knows better....davis has no value to pistons considering having rip and stuck in backcourt.
heres what chris mccosky said:
Nothing to Davis rumor
Pay no attention to the report out of Oakland that the Pistons and Warriors talked about a deal that would send Rasheed Wallace and Chauncey Billups to Golden State for Baron Davis. That deal was a total fabrication, nothing of the sort was ever discussed.
I love Baron especially the beard! but Harrington is not going to be our Center. He can't, he's not dominant enough defensively and you guys complain about Sheed shooting threes, Harrington does the same thing but when he does bang in the post he can't make anything happen. I think this leads to another trade because we will once again have 6 starter caliber players. A Harrington Tayshaun trade for a good Center and bench big man or PG will be good I'll play around in the trade machine for a minute or two.
One thing that works is Tayshaun and Al Harrington for Camby and Nene
here's our starting lineup
PG: Barron
SG: Stuckey
SF: Hamilton
PF: Nene/Maxiell
C: Camby
Good lineup but I don't think it's better than our current one, lot's of scoring from the backcourt and wing players Hamilton is probably too small to play the 3 but after seeing him guard Lebron I think we can risk it. However our PF and C positions won't put up much points but they'll defend like no other. Overall the lineup is quite injury prone especially if Nene is playing the PF. I still like our current lineup better.
Hey dominic, if you're looking for serviceable guards, take a look at Minnesota. They have two young restricted free agents in Sebastian Telfair and Kirk Snyder. Either of them backing up rip and stuckey would be great as stuck is still unproven except for a little pop in the playoffs. We could pick up either one of those players for much less than the midlevel exception. Personally I'd prefer Snyder as he's a defensive player and has NO RELATION to Marbury!
i agree with blaze5611. I wouldn't give up sheed for Harrington. I like the idea to bring Baron Davis in. I love Baron Davis. And I'm kind of a fan of Josh Smith, and Marcus Camby. If we could bring those guys in. That would be awesome. But we can't give up Sheed. But you put him with Baron's heart and the fact he is a much better passer than Chaunceyy, a SF leaper who can help protect the paint with the bigs, or a shot blocking center, that would do damage on the defensive end. I just don't think we have to get real young like everyone's saying.
dominic...rip did guard lebron and it seems to work.....how about a 7 game series? no way in hell! not to mention paul pierce. oh yea, if you love his beard, u should have one not trade one of the core for it.
americanprince, whats ur basis that davis is a more passer than chauncey...also, joe is never gonna do something coz everyone is saying it, i.e. "get real young" no need for that, we already have zoo crew for it.
remember, joe isn't giving pistons core away without getting the best player from a team. baron davis maybe the best player in golden state, butwe all know we can do better than a baron davis especially if we already have elite backcourt in the current lineup.
how about this...under salary cap it works.
billups/prince for tmac
wallace for stoudemire
starting
stuck
rip
tmac
stoudemire
dyess
now that sounds like the new version of boston's big three.....detroit's big three
rip-tmac-stoudemire
i'm real glad that none of it is true.. although i would love to have baron for chauncey but i refuse to lose my favorite player for al harrington.. i really wish we could get the suns to do some sort of deal for amare without giving two of our core... if we could do sheed for amare that would be clutch but i think we might have to give another player
pshh i dunno i just want draft night to be over and get some real answers... even though our draft will be useless unless we get a lopez
for the last time, phoenix is not giving up amare. when did that ever become viable news (or rumor)?
i agree with you blaze, i wish we can get stoudemire for just wallace. there was a rumor that amare was not happy with the management there and nash/shaq are the top 2 players that they are willing to build around to make 1-2 years of run for the title. if they want another core player of detroit they're gonna need to give up 2 out of the 3 players along with amare....diaw/barbosa/bell. joe would never trade 2 for 1 unless its melo or tmac.
mobius, what world do you live into....? heres the link, i hope this will shut your "for the last time" attitude up.
http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2007/11/simmons_thinks_the_suns_should.html
ARE YOU GUYS INSANE!!!!!!!! DAVIS FOR CHAUNCEY THAT IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE RIGHT NOW AND IM GLAD THAT CHRIS SAID THAT NO ONE HAS DISCUSSED THIS AND IT MIGHT NOT BE TRUE....I MEAN OKAII TRADE SHEED BUT TRADING CHAUNCEY IS JUST INSANE!!!!!!!! THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT IF JOE DUMARS REALLY HAS TO TRADE SHOULD BE PRINCE AND SHEED!!!!! HE SHOULDNT EVEN CONSIDER TRADING RIP AND CHAUNCEY!!!!! JOE D IS SMART AND HE KNOWS WHATS RIGHT AND IF HE TRADES CHAUNCEY HE WILL BE MAKING A MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!!
SARAH!!!! ITS EXACTLY MY POINT!!! ITS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN BABLLING ABOUT!!!!
The Suns will probably not give up Amare, and definately not for an old player like Sheed. The age difference is too big. The story you linked to clearly states that it is what someone THINKS the suns should do. There is not validity to that, and it would never happen. Thats like saying we should get lebron. They aren't going to give up their star player for an aging player, period.
i agree with you digital....
"There is not validity to that, and it would never happen."
so as the baron davis thing....
so if we wanna keep doing this speculations, lets trade prince and rip for kobe bryant.
actually digital you're completely wrong about your claim on
"They aren't going to give up their star player for an aging player, period."
suns had a history of trading a younger star player for an aging star player.....have you forgotten already!!!? marion for shaq!!
steven a smith just said a source close to joe d said that there is "no way in hell" that joe dumars would consider that deal..
makes me feel good about what kinda trade we are working on
no way do we want Kobe--i don't care who or how little we would have to give up for him. he belongs in holly-la-la-wood land, and he is not a piston, no way, no how.
i think the person was just joking, but that is my knee-jerk reaction to suggesting that we get kobe. yeah, we need a star, a scorer, a commercial actor, etc. but kobe is not our man. yuck.
oh and mobius this is a post from pistons mailbag from monday
Moe (Oxon Hill, Md.): The only reason Boston and LA made the Finals was because of their blockbuster trades. We need a legit center so McDyess can play his natural position. If Sheed is traded, it has to be for Amare Stoudemire. Shaq can calm Sheed and we get a younger, more controllable superstar.
Langlois: Moe, if you can get Larry and Curly on board to help the Pistons swing the kind of no-brainer trades Boston and the Lakers were gifted, that would help. Rasheed for Stoudemire? I can see Phoenix having interest in that. The Suns have serious cap issues and they’re clearly in go-for-broke mode now, thus the Shaq trade for Shawn Marion. Shaq and Steve Nash might have one or two more tries to get it done, which coincides with Rasheed’s contract status and window, as well. Rasheed’s ability to guard the West’s best big men would appeal to Phoenix.
so don't get to high and mighty on us trying to act like that trade was never talked about
don't get me wrong ric, amare is of my top 3 players in the league. S.T.A.T. would make a great piston and i hope we get him. it's too bad it's not going to happen though.
I DIDNT MEAN TO CALL ANYONE INSANE...IM JUST REALYL UPSET THAT JOE D MIGHT TRADE CHAUNCEY OR EVEN RIP!!!!!!! SRY !!!!
Sarah, that button on the far left of the keyboard turns off the obnoxious. It's called caps lock. Also, because of the last few seasons Joe realizes he needs to break up his core of which Chauncey and Rip are a big part of. We need to grow up and realize the pistons of next year will not me the same as the ones we know and love.
thanks blaze, im well aware of that info. from keith langlois...there are tons of more info about amare and sheed trade that's why im not hesistant to mention it....
mobius, i hope that clarfies your negativity about amare/sheed trade not happening.....just imagine kg saying no to boston on the first time? offcourse everybody said, "nope, kg isn't going to boston". in that sense, amare hasn't even said anything, and if he said no! just like melo and kg, don't ever close the possibility.
danafesto, youre right, im hell kidding, i don't want kobe in pistons....i rather have hermann.
blaze, i, myself feels good about joe's trading deal agendas...just imagine one that slip into our ears...denver ask about billups and joe told them straight, they would have to give up melo.....now u know joe isn't settling for less. i have a reason to believe that few of these are in joe's plate.
amare stoudemire
tmac
melo
kaman
on tmac, heres my thought and STRONG reasoning why hes on joe's top list, the rest, i would have to share it later on.
http://pistonsinla.blogspot.com/2008/06/talent-character-and-winning-it-all.html
heres a thought......the only player that i would trade for prince straight up is kevin durant.....no one else.
its fun to play trademachine on espn...heres another scenario that worked...but its a complete sweep of our core.
sheed for amare
rip/prince for tmac
chaunce for kaman, knight, powell and thornton
that means
starting:
stuck
tmac
thornton
amare
kaman
bench:
dyess
maxiell
amir
afflalo
powell
knight
samb
you can't get any better than that!!! frontcourt average more than 2 blocks a game and average double-double....and we got stuck, tmac and thornton with offense/defense minded.....curry can guide this team to successful defensive threatt with their natural scoring ability....plus, look how deep our bench is. crazy!
I totally disagree with any deal this year. I'd better give it a Try to the Team. If i were to make any changes at all, i'd get a strong center. But i would be careful about what i'm letting go. I mean how can we know how much was Flip S?
I think the team is just Fine! If they don't get it done this year, Then DRASTICAL CHANGES SHOULD BE MADE!
Okay i dont know what is goiing on here anymore....im hearing so many different things with the whole baron davis trade thing and it is really starting to piss me off! NATALIE can you please keep us posted...and anybody else that might know anything keep us posted!!!! im crossing my fingers that chauncey does not get traded.
yes baron is coming....
baron has just gone to chinatown in NYC to play some soccer games along wit ppl like Henry and Nash n he told me that baron said that he is gonna come to detroit ( No JOKE)
my fd was there and was surprised as well.
We need to go after Al Jefferson, NOT Al Harrington!!!!
regardless of what happens.
this is exciting as hell.
and McCosky is a joke. Isn't this the blowhard know-it-all who bashes bloggers, gets in confrontations often and is only right about 50% of the time?
Almost as bad as Drew Sharp.
How does anyone know that baron is coming to detroit and who told???? I went on like every website....and nothing has been told, one person like a news person for detroit said that golden state and detroit have never even discussed the trade...so i