The Knicks Like Sheed
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"Isiah Thomas is in the market for a rugged power forward to play alongside Eddy Curry, and Thomas may look to revisit acquiring Wallace, the volatile Pistons veteran who fouled out and was ejected in the fourth quarter of Detroit's season-ending loss in Cleveland in Game 6 of the Eastern Conference finals. There already is talk of the Pistons breaking up their team after losing four straight games to LeBron James and the Cavaliers. Wallace, who is signed through the 2009 season, is the most logical choice to be moved.When Thomas first assumed control of the Knicks, he twice tried to trade for Wallace, who instead landed in Atlanta and then Detroit. Thomas never got over losing Wallace to his former teammate, Pistons GM Joe Dumars, and has told associates that Wallace would have made the Knicks a perennial playoff team.
Thomas has his sights set on Jermaine O'Neal, Kevin Garnett and Pau Gasol, but Wallace is a more realistic option. It is unclear if Dumars is prepared to trade Wallace or if he has interest in any of the Knicks' players. Another factor could be the influence of Garden chairman James Dolan, who once swore off bringing in players he felt would embarrass the franchise." Via The New York Daily News
My take on the matter is this, if Flip Saunders stays, (which the Pistons are saying he is) in Detroit, the Pistons will trade Rasheed Wallace. The two just don't seem to be able to see eye to eye. Like it or not Joe Dumars is going to start making calls and listening to any offers that come around. I don't expect him to give Rasheed up for just anyone. There might not be a lot of teams that want to take him on, especially considering he has two years and about 30 million left on his contract. It's simply a waiting game, but unless The Pistons make a phone call to Larry Brown, our last memory of Sheed in a Pistons uniform might not be all that pretty.
FYI: There will always be a Need4Sheed, so the site will stay the same no matter where Sheed is. I will always have a Need4Sheed, but my heart bleeds red, white and blue.
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They can't trade him !!! He's the heart of this team!!!
I think this would be a huge mistake. I understand the talk is how Sheed exploded in game 6. And his antics are way past old. However, the positives out-weigh the negatives. I do agree that Saunders and Sheed cannot work together. So bye-bye Flip. SOMEONE HAD TO LET THE REFS HAVE IT!! Look at all the Great coaches in the NBA. They all stick up for their players when they are getting shafted. Sloan, Pop, Diantoni, LB...you get the idea. Of all the shady calls Detroit was getting, Saunders never stood up for his team..Allowing the players to pick up all the Techs. This is part of the reason they turned on him. Sheed has some things to needs to set straight. I think it is nothing Dumars and a new coach can't handle. Boy is Laimbeer almost too perfect for this team or what? I understand that Dumars and Laimbeer are friends...And that means if you hire him...eventually you will have to fire him. Hell...Trammell and Gibson had trouble with the same thing. Sheed just brings so much of the defensive side of the ball. Duncan,Garnett.Dirk, Bosh....All these guys struggle against Sheed. And that goes unnoticed. And when he wants to be...boy is he a bad man on offense. In my mind, he is irreplaceable. Changes need to be made, a blow-up however is not necessary.
-Junior
Flip is staying word arrived this morning
until I hear Dumars, NOT ESPN, say Flip is staying...I aint buying it.
Old Mr. Davidson doesn't want to pay coaches to leave anymore is the word down, too bad. I used to feel bad for this guy because I thought KG didn't have the right supporting cast, now I know it's Flip, he looks totally lost the last couple of games and if I can see that, imagine what the players can see.
But please don't trade Sheed to NYC, we have garbage players here except for Jamal Crawford who actually listened to LB when he was coaching and look how he developed.
Well, the only way i'd do this deal is if the Knicks include channing frye, david lee and their #1 pick in next year's draft
We need sheed we dont't need any of the knicks sorry ass players. DON'T DO IT JOE!!!
I'm all for giving Sheed his walking papers, but NY doesn't have anything to fill his shoes.
Trading Sheed would be a mistake. Also, I doubt it will happen. All Detroit has to do is draft well in they will be right back in the mix of things. Anyone know the Pistons draft workout schedule?
If Somehow Dumars could pull off the swapping of first round picks like Chicago did with New York and throw in Frye, Lee and Crawford. I might consider it. But all and all I say no.
Totally agree with 1:09, if there´s a choice to make, fire Saunders, I don´t think anyone likes him as a coach, he does have some personality and he is intelligent, but man, a coach cannot be only inteligent, he has to be smart and defend the team, and the fans also. He has to be the guy who calms down everyone when it´s necessary and heat up the crowd and the team when it needs, things that papers don´t say, like: Hey, Maxiell, dunk in the face of lebron with all of your strenght, even if you make an offensive foul, we need that.
That´s something a coach can do, and saunders doesn´t. He has to be assistant, scout, whatever..., not command a team who really demands command. When you play defense, that´s you need at most, strategy, plays, runs, tactics, you can´t just turn it over so many times whithout loosing the manners with your players..., don´t misunderstand our coldblood with deceased people, mr saunders.
if sheed gone.........................................WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GONNA CALL THIS SITE???
This is what the pistons must do:
Draft well
Practice Hard
Resign CB1
Keep Sheed
Give bench players more minutes
And Get a another strong defensive player.
I really don't want them to trade Rasheed! I'll miss him so much, and I know his team mates will too!
I still think he is a big part of this team, regardless of his antics, and his temper.
I don't know about bringing Larry Brown back though...BUT he did get us the Championship.
Ugh, please make some good choices, Joe. This is going to be a rough summer.
Rasheed was so focused in Game6. It was him that made me believe we will come back and win the series. He kept his mouth shot the entire game, no arguing, no nonsense.. until the last few minutes in the forth. Because Flip is a moran... When Webber had his second foul in the first quater, Flip put Nazi in...? why?!!! If i was Sheed, i will spit on flip... that's pathetic.
What I don't understand about all theses T's Rasheed has racked up over the years is this... the nba (or the refs or whoever) wants the players to be professional and let the bad calls roll off them without showing any emotion or reacting in any way right? So why don't the refs have to be professional and let what the players have to say roll off them. If the refs make the right call EVERY time (ha ha) and they are confident in the job they're doing, then why should they care what the players or the coaches have to say about it. I say screw the T's -- no blood no foul!! Sure if soomeone takes a swing at the ref or something like that, ok, give them a T, throw them out of the game, fine them, do what you gotta do, but DAMN! Let the cry baby refs man up and stand behind their calls. Some of the T's they hand out are rediculous and you KNOW they don't make the right call EVERY time... so do they. That no tolerance rule is total bullshit, and Rasheed has no chance even though he's right sometimes. I love the Pistons, but I hate the nba and their stupid ass rules. They just take it too far sometimes. These guys are not robots, of course they are going to react to bad calls (and even some good calls) I just get so sick of some of these refs -- they have way too much power over the outcome of games, and they sure as hell aren't objective because they don't call the game evenly when there's a "superstar" on the floor.
Keep Sheed!!
Sheed is an emotional guy and I think it's unfair that he should be penalized for being himself.
If Lebron complained to the damn refs he probably wouln't get a fucking technical!
I said it before, and I'll say it again, If flip stays I'm over the pistons, why? Mostly because I realize that the pistons do not have a real leader. Sheed is the heart chauncy is the brain, but no one is the clear leader, which is why Larry Brown was so good for this team. The job of a coach besides x's and o's is to make sure that every player is playing up to their potential. I have a hard time understanding how certain people claim that coaching is not that crucial to the game, and that it really is up to the players to win and lose games. I wonder if those people have ever coached basketball, or if they have been watching the NBA for the past 40 years. Why do you think the Spurs are always winning cups, because they have the most talent? I think not. Pop is an excellent coach who gets the most out of his players, period. Flip may be a basketball mind, but he is not the alpha dog that the pistons need and he is certainly not their leader. With that being said, the only reason I can see bringing back Saunders is if he allows us to trade Sheed and Nazr plus our draft pick for Garnett. Even then, my heart and team are dead to me. I will always have the memories of the glorious 04 and 05 squads who played with heart and teamwork.
Good analysis of the Pistons season, well done (didn't want to write on the other post, too crowded...)
IMO Pistons should keep Sheed & Billups, waive Webber, give more playing time to Delfino and Maxiell, get a young, quick back up PG
Would you guys like a Frye or David Lee in a possible Sheed trade (I know salaries don't match, just throwing names out there)? Knicks have some nice young players that could be useful. Perhaps Pistons would have to take a player with a bad contract for a year or two (Francis, Q Rich or something)
Ricky from Italy
I love Rasheed too, but his time is done here. Flip is going to stay, which I think is LB was still here we would have taken the ship at least one of the past two years but he is not here, he's in the hamptons. As for Sheed, I would love to see Zach Randolph come to Detroit. He is a monster scorer and thats what we need downlow. Dont re-sign Billups and get Bibby in the off season, it would be cheaper. Or Vince Carter is a free agent and I'm sure we could get him for as much as Billups would want. That leaves the PG position vulnerable though. Lets try...PG-Hamilton SG-Carter SF-Prince PF-Randolph C-Webber. Now that would be a powerhouse of a team. Keep almost the same bench, of couse Delfino, J-Max, and Amir. Flip#2 is staying, he can play back-up point. The only problem with my dream is rip really isnt a true point guard and he scores coming off the screens so that wouldnt work. Carter at point, RIP coming off screens at SG. It would work, Joe D. sign me as head coach.
people we have to relize 30 million over 2 yrs 15 mil each yr not alot of teams can pay that like the knicks who r like 50 mil over the cap but the nba has a soft cap so they let it slide but the thing is who can pay 4 him not to many teams and of those teams they dont have anything worth trading 4 so i dont see a trade but u never no
this scares me soo bad.. i dont want him to leave... i dont care who they trade just not SHEED (or tay or rip and they need to re-sign CB)
am I askin for too much?? im about to bust out in tears right now :(
i dont care for Flip S. he can go... i guess it was true that Bill Davidson hasnt been happy with the amount of different coaches in the past couple of years.
WHY CANT WE SAY BYE BYE FLIP?? WE NEED SHEEEEEEED!
first BEN now SHEED?? because of FLIP?????
someone please help me figure this out.. why is it so hard to fire FLIP??
I would much rather keep rasheed around than try to get younger. i would hope we could hang on to him untill amir johnson is ready to go. he is the future of this team. maxiell is another huge part to the future. but as for now, we rally ought to go with what weve got. all this zach randolph talk is illogical. the people who say detroit should get him also say we should get rid of sheed for his behavior. i dont think sheed is the one who breaks the law and gets arrested. randolph is a distraction, HUGE PINK ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM DISTRACTION. there is nobody to get from the knicks either. id be mighty upset if we loose sheed. HANG ON TO HIM UNTILL AMIR IS GOOD TO GO! i just cant stress that enough.
Like most of the people on this list, I'm heartbroken. But the bottom line is that the NBA in its wisdom has decided that no team with Sheed on it will ever be in the NBA finals again. We now have two years of evidence to this fact (the breathe on Boobie watch him walk to the line, the mug Hamilton nothing happens phenomenon). So I don't think it has anything to do with Flip. It's David Stern and the way he wants the NBA to be.
If we get Grant Hill, that might be enough to start getting "storyline" calls for a change (or actually for the first time ever).
i think most teams are afraid of sheed's personality, but then most teams aren't like the pistons. but seriously, how hard is it to say "hey, Flip, YOU'RE FIRED!" I mean it's obvious that flip is not effective at coaching the pistons. Joe D must have something up his sleeve...but then again, you never know. keep the core but get rid of flip saunders and webber
Vince Carter is just as unrealistic as the kobe rumor.And if sheed leaves we definatly need a post player like Randolph because if we don't we'll end up like the Bulls and shoot jumpshots all the time.
the only reason they are pobably considering keeping flip is they dont want the history of not having the same coach for more than 3 years. and its ridiculous.
and someone up their said that rip isnt a good point guard, UGHHH, 2 times in the series he is the only one that did ANYTHING. but i do like the starting line up the way it is now.
Tay will come back this year good, and i can feel it, as for rip him too, chauncey will come back because he is a pistons fan to the heart.
and sheed, well no one really knows, and c-webb, he must be ridiculous too because they brought him to the team loving what he did, and then he is just going to leave cause he didnt get a championship, well i am going to laugh when he leaves and they get one!
aw hell nooo !
if sheeds gone.. then whos going to play all the jokes in the locker room and be completely obnoxious and help all the players get loose before the game????
joe cant trade sheed like that.. i definitely thought he wouldve gotten rid of flip before sheed! i mean come on the guy hasnt taken us anywhere in the past two seasons but with pretty good reg season records..thats what he is a regular season coach.. we need a PLAYOFF coach ... as of now what im hearing we're fixing the parts of the team that do not need to be fixed!
besides if sheed doesnt like losing at the pistons.. how the heck is he gonna survive with the knicks ha!
In my opinion, the main problem for the pistons is they no longer have any urgency when it comes to the playoffs. They take every team for granted, like the pistons are ordained to win a championship. They need to get back to being humble, hungry, angry, and determined to do whatever it takes to win. Flip Saunders has made the team more offensive oriented, but it has made them SOFT! They don't rebound, block shots, trap, or communicate well on defense, which explains why Lebron scored so many consecutive shots against the ENTIRE TEAM! DEFENSE wins championships. Rasheed needs to grow up. If you want to get back at the refs, turn that frustration into production, play well and strive to win. Winning will silence the critics. I think McDyess should be starting along with Maxiell at center. Rasheed would be perfect coming off of the bench, as he can play either forward positions or center, like he did in Portland.
if they trade Sheed they retarted. First of all u can't let on problem drive away players ex: Flip Saunders driving Ben away. Since it's a persisent problem they should get rid of Flip & all the problems would be over. I won't believe the hype about Sheed bcuz it won't happened
DOWN W/FLIP!!!
All this talk of Sheed leaving is not helping with me all these assholes talking shit about the pistons here in the west coast.
I think folks are getting kinda emotional about Sheed. I'd be sad to see him go too, but let's face it: he's not getting younger.
If you could get Jamal Crawford and David Lee back from the Knicks, that's not a bad trade at all.
If the Pistons trade Sheed (and that's a huge if), no way is it to the Knicks. Keep in mind the salaries have to match to make any deal work. Can you really see Joe D taking any of the overpriced Knicks? The Sheed to the Knicks "rumor" all started with Sam Smith speculating in his column a few days ago. The guy is a joke. He routinely makes up trade scenarios out of nowhere.
Isiah is big fan of Sheed. I can see this rumour being true.
Here's a workable deal salary wise: Sheed + Nazr for Crawford, Malik Rose, David Lee.
We lose Sheed but also get to shed Nazr. You get a decent if streaky shooter, a hardworking veteran close to coming off the books and a rebounding machine. That's not a bad deal.
I'd feel sad for Sheed being stuck in the NYK disaster though.
I just don't know what to think anymore.. the only person we need gone is Flip, and I'm not buying him coming back until i hear it from Joe D. first. Everyone is going to speculate, and there will always be rumors but joe will have the last say in it. natalie you posted an interview months ago from Joe d and he talked about Flip and his tone made it seem liek it would be fine to let Flip go... after failing to get us out of the east for two years straight joe knows Flip needs to go. the only thing that would be holding him back would be stupid Bill Davidson who made those comments of being tiered of getting a new coach every year. he only cares about money while Joe wants to win.. so forget Davidson and Joe do what you need to do... that is FIRE FLIP, KEEP SHEED AND BILLUPS, AND GET GOOD PICKS IN THE DRAFT. o yes and bring Bill Lambier as coach. Nobody wants to play for Flip. I mean ben left, sheed can't stand him, and I'm sure chauncey still has it in the back of his mind that Flip never gave him a chance back when he played for him in Minnesota. does anyone agree? i can't wait any longer. What is going to happen to our team?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
bill davidson needs to die. he is getting in the way of everything
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Saunders-unlikely-to-get-fired;_ylt=Ao.R4RLA8TZpeuxhnbCK6tO8vLYF?urn=nba,35317
O-k let me get this straight, it eaither sheed of flip. That bull!!! I personaly dont like flip as a caoch ----not her atleast. so all that stuff that happened will ben and coach not geting along was true. And that may be a adiitional reason ---beside the money--- why ben choice to leave. Man, this is gonna be a tough summer! We love Sheed: forever and foralways
Does anyone besides me see something wrong with this? If the players hate the coach don't get rid of the damn players get rid of the coach!
It's not rocket science.
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Fire Flip and Trade Sheed
Believe Im not a Sheed hater, Ive got the dudes jersey
ITS TIME...to make a change
Detroit Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Rasheed Wallace
6-11 PF from North Carolina
12.3 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32.2 minutes
Incoming
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 37.3 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
9.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: +14.8 ppg, +1.5 rpg, and +3.6 apg.
New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 37.3 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
9.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.4 minutes
Incoming
Rasheed Wallace
6-11 PF from North Carolina
12.3 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -14.8 ppg, -1.5 rpg, and -3.6 apg.
Works in trade Checker
OR
Detroit Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Rasheed Wallace
6-11 PF from North Carolina
12.3 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32.2 minutes
Nazr Mohammed
6-10 C from Kentucky
5.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 15.2 minutes
Incoming
Steve Francis
6-3 PG from Maryland
11.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 3.9 apg in 28.1 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
9.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: +2.9 ppg, -2.6 rpg, and +2.9 apg.
New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Steve Francis
6-3 PG from Maryland
11.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 3.9 apg in 28.1 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
9.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26.4 minutes
Incoming
Rasheed Wallace
6-11 PF from North Carolina
12.3 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 32.2 minutes
Nazr Mohammed
6-10 C from Kentucky
5.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 15.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -2.9 ppg, +2.6 rpg, and -2.9 apg.
Works too
The trades arent ideal but either is Mr. Wallace's trade value
GO PISTONS
I agree with BigDee36 the coach needs to go...he liiked ruiined everything and now hes not goiing anywhere and they want to trade players becuz of the damn coach wat the hell!!!!! The coach needs to leave and Chauncey, Rip, Sheed and tay need to STAY!!!!!! JOE DO THE RIIGHT THIING RESIIGN BILLUPS AND KEEP THE REST OF THE TEAM except SAUNDERSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
I cannot see anyone from the piistons starting fiive gone because that team is a great team they are all brothers and they all work together and have fun at the same time! Thiis is the piistons team we know and love so Joe Dumars do the riight thing and kepp all the players!!!!! I do not want to see anyone leave it would be too devastating!!!!!!
Blow the shit up
I think I'm going to go sit in a corner and rock back and forth...
All this jamble on who's getting traded, fired, retiring, is making my head hurt. I think we shouldn't all jump to conclusions on things. don't get me wrong, i want sheed and billups here just as the next person, but there's nothing we can do about it. so for now, all i can do is keep Nat's "Detroit Pistons Unity" wallpaper on my computer and hope for the best!
someone must be on crystal meth if they think that Jamal Crawford Chaning Frye are worth what Sheed is worth.
If you are going to trade Sheed you have to do Better than that. But I still think Sheed is staying in the red,white,and blue.
Sell the domain name to some rich jew in New York, and make a new site, and call it, perhaps, dip4flip.com, flip2dahip.com, flipinthecryp.com, chiponflip, flip2drip, fli